We are still waiting...You still haven't answered the question. Do you want
us to call your show or not?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Van Hale" <vanehale@earthlink.net>
To: "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: I am still waiting
Aaron,
Why are you and Art trying to connect me with Art's past problems with
K-talk? Art claimed that I am somehow involved in racketeering with Mills
Crenshaw and now you are claiming that I am somehow involved with Martin
Tanner in some conspiracy.
-We are wary of such possibilities. You and Tanner try to portray Art as a
wild eccentric person. You and him have the same nature as scheming
Pharisees trying to arrest Jesus.
Talk about brain washed. You have no regard for the truth whatsoever.
Without the slightest possible shred of evidence you and Art make these
outrageously false statements about me. Shame on you. I have never met nor
talked to Mills in any private situation. I was a guest on his program
twice. That is the entire extent of my association with him. I do not like
him and would not participate with him in any project. But Art did threaten
him. Mills took the threat seriously and decided he would no longer host
Religion on the Line. Martin was chosen to replace him.
-Actually that is a lie. Starley Bush the owner of KTKK had a policy that
any talk show host who was sued would be fired. Art had filed a lawsuit
against Mills and so he was released. You are like Michael Nifong, always in
denial. You won't hear any contrary evidence.
I had nothing whatsoever to do with Art's fight with K-talk which has
resulting in his failure to appear in court and his disregard for the
Court's restraining order, issued because of his own written threat still on
file with the court. He has chosen to flee rather than to confound the court
with his proclaimed brilliance and inspiration. He flees from me also, in
that he will not engage in a conversation. He will not allow me to comment
on anything he says. He is terrified. Whenever I try to present a comment or
discuss a point he turns to name calling and abuse in hopes that he
persecute me and run away.
Art is outraged that anyone would differ with him. He has abused me with
rudeness, false accusations, and name calling. He will not discuss a topic
with me. Try listening to his tone sometime. You hear what you hear because
you are brainwashed. I have had a mountain of response from listeners who
ask me why I put up with Art's mean-spirited and insulting behavior. This
comes from diverse listeners - those tend to side with me and those who
strongly disagree with me. Only the brainwashed do not see Art for what he
is.
-Art has over talked you at times, yes. But so have you. For example, there
were times when I was trying to make a point on doctrine, I believe on negro
Priesthood and theistic evolution and you started to raise your voice and
over talked me. Art needed to cut you off because you probably were going to
ramble on. When you have your sycophant callers call your show, you let them
go on and on. Art did challenge your character by calling you some harsh
names because you exhibited an arrogant spirit. You will not pray as Art has
suggested. As much as Art has reasoned from the scriptures and discussed the
Gospel with you over the years, you still will not pray.
On my program I express my views. I have always made that clear. I have
never condemned anyone for disagreeing with me. I have never called anyone
names for disagreeing with me. I have never called anyone a liar for
disagreeing with me. I have never called anyone the lowest class of being
for disagreeing with me. I have never threatened anyone for disagreeing with
me. I have been a stalwart in defense of a person's right to express his
views. I have even allowed Art on my program eventhough there is a permanent
restraining against this. You, on the other hand, unquestioningly support
someone who viciously attacks those who disagree with him and even threatens
to beat them with his fists for disagreeing. It is a waste of time to try to
convince me that you are not brainwashed.
-Art is just trying to set you straight on the Gospel. You think it's okay
to speak about the Gospel flippantly any way you want to like your
discussing UFOs but when it comes to the Gospel, this is serious business.
Espousing false doctrine like Darwinism, Book of Mormon being a parable,
doubting Adam God doctrine,etc. over the air to hundreds of people who might
be listening and misleading them is the same as persecuting Zion.
Art claims that all Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and their successors have
done has failed. He claims that he is the One Mighty and Strong and yet has
not done one mighty or strong thing. He does this eventhough they all have
claimed that God restored the truth Church with the highest priesthood keys
to build an LDS culture for carrying the gospel message to the world and to
invite all people into this culture. They have all taught that the Church
was restored and would not fall into apostasy. Art on the most absurd
argument claims that as a 70 he received the highest keys, superior to other
70's, I was ordained a 70 a few months before Art, and superior to Apostles
and the First Presidency. This is totally foreign the teachings of JS, BY
and others and totally foreign to the D&C and to the operation of the Church
from JS to GBH.
-Once again you lie. Art said they laid the foundation for the building of
Zion and it was job of the One Mighty and Strong to be in charge of building
it which would begin to happen after the fulness of the Gentiles. We have
already thoroughly explained that the Priesthood is separate from the
Church. An example of this is that the early Christian Church built by Jesus
and His Apostles apostatized and the Priesthood was taken from them. The
same has happened with the Mormon Church. You're wrong. Brigham Young saw
the day the Church would apostatize which they did.
"Let this Church which is called the Kingdom of God on earth. We will
summons the First Presidency, the Twelve, the High Council, the Bishopric,
and all the Elders of Israel, suppose we summons them to appear here, and
here declare that it is right to mingle our seed with the black race of
Cain, that they shall come in with us, and be partakers with us, of all the
blessings that God has given to us. On that very day and hour that we should
do so, the Priesthood is taken from this church and kingdom, and God leaves
us to our fate. The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain, the
church must (eventually) go to destruction, and we should receive the curse
which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with
the children of Adam, who are heirs to the Priesthood, until that curse be
removed."
Journal of Joseph W. Musser:
September 28, 1938. ... Brother Peay also told of hearing Joshua Jones of
Provo tell of hearing Brigham Young say, "The time will come when this
people are led onto the very brink of apostasy." Jones made an entry of it
in his Journal. The speech was made in the Old Bowery at Provo. Learned
through Lorin C. Woolley, that his father, John W. Woolley, attended the
above meeting, and upon arriving home at Centerville he told Lorin and his
mother of the incident. He related it thusly: "President Young, being filled
with the Holy Ghost, said, `The time will come when this people will be led
onto the very brink of hell by their leaders, then the one mighty and strong
will come to set the house of God in order.'"
Art was ordained a Seventy by Rex Pinegar in the spring of 1974. Pinegar was
the last the correctly ordained 70 as the others under the direction of
President Spencer Kimball and even going back all the way to the 7th
President Heber Grant had been ordained High Priests. Seventies are not to
be ordained High Priests. The Seventies hold the Apostleship which
circumscribes are other Priesthood offices and are equal to the 12 and First
Presidency. How could the greater be ordained by the lesser? Seventies are
to be chosen out of Elders not High Priests.
The (First Quorum of) Seventies are equal in authority to the Twelve and the First Presidency.
"He [Brigham Young] stated that the Seventies ARE ORDAINED APOSTLES and when
they go forth into the ministry they are sent with power to build up the
Kingdom in all the world and consequently have power to ordain High Priests
and also to ordain and organize a High Council." (Manuscript History of
Brigham Young, Dec. 14, 1845
(When ordaining men to the office of Seventy,) ...Brother Joseph Smith has
come to us many times, saying, "Brethren, you are going to ordain Seventies.
Do not forget to confer the high priesthood upon them. Ordain each of them
to the high priesthood (Melchizedek Priesthood), and to be one of the
Seventy Apostles." That was my language in the ordination of the Seventies,
and that is the way I ordain them now. (Brigham Young, Des. News, June 6,
1877, p. 274)
What ordination should a man receive to possess all the keys and powers of
the Holy Priesthood that were delivered to the sons of Adam? He should be
ordained an Apostle of Jesus Christ.... You read in the revelation alluded
to that when the Twelve were called and ordained, they possessed the same
power and authority as the three First Presidents; and in reading further
you find that there must needs be appendages and helps growing out of this
Priesthood. The Seventies possess the same [108] power and authority; they
hold the keys of establishing, building up, regulating, ordaining, and
setting in order the kingdom of God in all its perfections upon the earth.
We have a quorum of High Priests, and there are a great many of them. They
are a local body--they tarry at home; but the Seventies travel and preach;
so also do the High Priests when they are called upon. They possess
precisely the same Priesthood that the Seventies, and the Twelve and the
First Presidency possess; but are they ordained to officiate in all the
authority, powers, and keys of this Priesthood, No, they are not; still they
are High Priests of God: and if they magnify their Priesthood, they will
receive at some time all the authority and power that it is possible for man
to receive. (Brigham Young, J.D. 9:87-88)
He said that in case the quorum of the Twelve should by any means become
disorganized, that the Seventies held the jurisdiction and authority of
Presidency of the Church in all the world wherever it might be found. That
the High Priest's duty would be the same as it is now; they have to attend
to their affairs, but the authority of Presidency over the whole Church
belonged to the Seventies; and if all the Seventies were killed off except
one Seventy, that Seventy would not only possess the right but would be in
duty bound to stand in their place as the First Presidency of the Church. He
said that Joseph Smith the Prophet undertook to establish this idea in the
minds of the brethren in Kirtland, but the jealousies [109] that began to
arise in the minds of the High Priests prevented him doing so; he,
therefore, left the matter undecided. He further stated that the difference
between the authority of the Seventies and the High Priests was this: The
High Priests possessed the High Priesthood, but the Seventies possessed the
High Priesthood and the Apostleship which was the highest power on the earth
or in the Church. A man might be a prophet and seer and not be in the Church
or even baptized; and Joseph Smith was a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator before
he was even baptize, or had any Priesthood whatever, but having proved
faithful in the thing that was committed to his charge, God sent John the
Baptist, to ordain him a priest after the order of Aaron; and having been
faithful to this latter trust the Almighty sent Peter, James, and John unto
him in due time and ordained him an Apostle and first Elder in the Church
which was the highest authority of all. (Parley P. Pratt, Nauvoo Record Book
B, p. 226)
Art's background in Mormon history and doctrine is so shallow that he
continuously misapprehends JS and BY. He insists on a creed which must be
believed. JS emphatically opposed what Art insists upon. JS defended and
promoted an atmosphere where LDS could think and believe what they chose. I
suspect that neither you nor Art are familiar with JS's policy and teachings
on this point. I would be happy to provide with 40-50 of sources from JS.
Both JS and BY taught that they were learning along with the rest of the
Saints, and did not insist that all Saints must believe what they believed
at the time. They were both strong advocates of progressive revelation, that
much of what they believed would be added to or overturned by future
revelation. Art is the exact opposite of JS on many important points. One
must either choose JS or Art on some of the most salient points. But,
someone who is brainwashed would not see that.
----"that much of what they believed would be added to or overturned by future
revelation". Once again you show why you are such a dangerous character.
What you have said is false doctrine. You can detect a false prophet if he
disagrees with revelations or doctrines taught by past prophets. Everything
must be aligned together.
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 8
-----Say one thing that Art has said that contradicts what Joseph Smith and
Brigham Young taught. You will not be able to find anything.
The Spirit has strongly and consistently guided me to accept JS and BY and
to reject Art's claims that the Restoration has virtually failed, resulting
in Art and his one disciple as all that remains of JS and BY's great
efforts.
Van